rayz
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Post by rayz on Jan 31, 2006 14:16:27 GMT
Good idea ... :-)
Any idea how much you're going to sell this for?
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Post by KB on Jan 31, 2006 14:48:50 GMT
No more than the price of a computer game. Probably somewhere between $30 and $40. I'll see what CopyWrite, Avenir and Jer's are charging when I release, and charge something similar. A shareware price, no matter what. Incidentally, to anyone reading this thread: I would greatly appreciate your feedback on the outliner vs files/folders metaphor debate - to this end, I've just placed a poll on the Wish List forum. Cheers, Keith
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Post by rayz on Feb 1, 2006 8:48:08 GMT
No more than the price of a computer game. Probably somewhere between $30 and $40. I'll see what CopyWrite, Avenir and Jer's are charging when I release, and charge something similar. A shareware price, no matter what. Keith Wow! Is that all? ... :-| Ulysses does half as much and costs twice that! As long as you're not selling yourself short here, that sounds more than reasonable to me ...
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Post by KB on Feb 1, 2006 9:37:02 GMT
Ulysses has a whole team - with Scrivener it's only me. Also, it's not my full-time job, so I'll never be able to promise massive or regular updates - they will just come when they come (though of course bug fixes will always be a priority). And of course, support will be forum/e-mail only. For these reasons, I think it's important to set a price whereby users will be happy that they are getting their money's worth even if there were never any updates. (In other words, it's a "just in case" price - in reality, I hope, there will be updates, which will be free until version 2.0.) But I'm getting ahead of myself here... I'm not even going to think of taking money from anyone until it's finished...
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Post by dunx on Feb 1, 2006 16:28:06 GMT
But I'm getting ahead of myself here... I'm not even going to think of taking money from anyone until it's finished... Well, it's been said before, but it's in very good shape now, and there are companies that would charge money for less than you've got already.
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Post by KB on Feb 1, 2006 21:44:47 GMT
Thanks. I'm *very* excited about the next version, though, as I think it should begin to draw everything together into a much more professional - and original - program. I hope I can start working towards a relase candidate after that.
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Post by Donavan Hall on Feb 18, 2006 12:09:53 GMT
I use folder notes. I vote to keep them. (Also, I'd rather not lose those notes when I upgrade. There's some useful text in those notes.)
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Post by KB on Feb 18, 2006 14:54:13 GMT
There have been quite a few changes since I posted this guide to the "road ahead". One of them is the way folders work. From the next version, folders can be viewed as either text or as a folder (in which you see the contents as index cards). This is hard to explain without seeing it in action, but the upshot is that folder notes will not be lost - they will become folder text. In other words, it will work much as it does now, though you can toggle this behaviour...
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Post by amberv on Feb 21, 2006 16:36:09 GMT
There have been quite a few changes since I posted this guide to the "road ahead". One of them is the way folders work. From the next version, folders can be viewed as either text or as a folder (in which you see the contents as index cards). This is hard to explain without seeing it in action, but the upshot is that folder notes will not be lost - they will become folder text. In other words, it will work much as it does now, though you can toggle this behaviour... I like the way that sounds. I have always been fond of a flexible, non-modal heirarchy system where nodes can support sub-nodes, no matter what their type (and indeed 'type' can become blurry with such a system). Having something be Just a folder always feels limiting to me. Useful for things like the Finder, but for information arrangment and storage -- I have to ask why the separation? I have been on a bit of a haitus lately, and it appears that I have quite a bit of catching up to do on the forums. I had written a medium length document on the subject of annotation view modes, and an intuitive model for hiding and displaying them, but it appears you have nixed that for version one. If that is the case, I will save my thoughts for later revisions when such ideas will become relevant -- and they can be revised to encompass whatever UI model version 1 will look like.
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rayz
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Post by rayz on Feb 21, 2006 19:45:07 GMT
Good to see you back, AmberV ....
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Post by Jose on Mar 2, 2006 18:29:03 GMT
Keith, I hat to put any pressure on you, but the current beta will expire on March 15. Are there any plans to release the next beta before? I wouldn't ask this, but I have several projects now in Scrivener. Thanks again for all your good work.
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Post by KB on Mar 2, 2006 19:18:20 GMT
Hi Jose - the next beta is such a complete rewrite and overhaul that I don't see it being ready for at least another month. However, I have no intention of leaving anybody without a usable beta. I will be re-releasing the last beta before March 15 with an extended expiry date of a couple of months - keep checking the forum, as I will post the extended version in Announcements sometime in the next week. Thanks, Keith
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Post by Jose on Mar 4, 2006 7:11:23 GMT
Keith, sounds great. Just take your time for the next version, and, as you know, you have here a good community of beta testers ready to help.
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Post by banfennid on Mar 9, 2006 21:26:18 GMT
Are you still planning on getting rid of the Group Notes feature, and if so, is there something built in to 0.3b to save the Group Notes when converting a Project made in 0.2 or will all those Notes be stripped from the Project? I'm prepared to go into the Project package contents and copy all the Group Notes RTF files to a backup location and then figure out how to reintegrate the text of my notes into 0.3b, but I'm hoping you're keeping the feature intact in some form as I've found it to be invaluable.
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Post by KB on Mar 9, 2006 22:06:18 GMT
They are going and they aren't going. There is certainly no need to go into the package and salvage them all. In the next version there are two modes - text mode and folder mode. When you're in text mode, clicking on a folder will just show text; in folder mode, it will show index cards of the children. Current group notes will be converted to become folder text... Hmm, that is as clear as mud. Trust me, it will make sense when the next version eventually comes out...
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