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Post by chasingisis on Oct 30, 2005 4:47:51 GMT
Okay, I didn't see this situation on the To Do list, under the state saving section, so I don't know if this is just a feature that will be fixed in the official release version or whether it's an actual bug. Here it is:
I have been working on character text pages. So, I make some edits to my character "Sebastian" and, without saving the changes, I go to the next character, "Kennedy" or "Rafe" or whoever and make changes there. I use command-Save to save that particular character text page — which is when I notice "Sebastian" is still unsaved. I click on the "Sebastian" text page and try to command-Save. Nothing happens, it's still dark gray in the outline. I choose Save from the file menu. Same thing. It doesn't matter whether I am in binder or "pencil" view, it won't command-Save as an individual document.
However, if I make changes again — say just type a letter and delete it — I can command-Save OR, if I choose Save All from the file menu, it will save. In both cases, the "Sebastian" character text page goes from gray to white. Everything's normal.
(I should mention that it seems to happen with any text page I've worked on, and then left unsaved when I jumped to something else.) It doesn't actually annoy me, and I doubt I would have noticed, except I tend to bounce around and forget to save from time to time.
Apologies if this was old news,
Elizabeth
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Post by KB on Oct 30, 2005 8:36:25 GMT
Hmm... This isn't actually a bug, but you do bring up an interesting point. To explain:
Cmd-S only saves the document on which you are working. This is intended behaviour. To save all unsaved documents, hit Shift-Cmd-S.
If you forget to save and exit the project or program with unsaved documents, by the way, you will be prompted with a list of unsaved documents and have the chance to save them there.
But you do bring up one issue - text documents will only save if the text has focus - that is, if the cursor is inside the text; it won't save if the binder has focus (which will be what you were experiencing when clicking on the binder and going to save before clicking back into the text; when you clicked back in and started typing, the text had focus again, so you could save again). This behaviour is "kind of" normal for similar apps, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is intuitive. It would be relatively easy for me to implement the abiity to save selected documents in the binder if the binder has focus, though it does pose a problem: if you have multiple documents selected in the binder but the text has focus, should it save only the text with focus, or all selected documents?
I will think about this.
Thanks,
Keith
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Post by chasingisis on Oct 30, 2005 18:15:19 GMT
Okay. That makes sense. It's no big deal — this is the first program like this that I have really used instead of just playing with it, so I'm probably going to think something might be a bug when it isn't.
Hope I haven't wasted your time,
Elizabeth
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Post by KB on Oct 30, 2005 18:26:35 GMT
Not at all - please keep posting ideas as they come to you, everything is helpful at this stage!
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Post by banfennid on Oct 31, 2005 22:34:58 GMT
My problems are bit more specific but in the same thread.
1. The Shift-Command-S to Save All doesn't work at all (I get only the system error tone), but I can Save All from the File menu.
2. If I make changes in a text document but do not save, select another text document (with or without making changes), and then select the original document to save (perhaps I was checking an reference earlier or later in the manuscript before I committed to the changes), it doesn't allow me. I must make an additional change in the original document in order for it to allow me to save, or choose to Save All (which I don't necessarily wish to do every single time).
Powerbook G4, Tiger 10.4.2, 1.67 Ghz, 2 GB SDRAM
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Post by KB on Oct 31, 2005 22:38:39 GMT
You don't need to edit - it's the same "problem" basically: in order to save, the text must have the focus. That means that you need to click into the text to save. It's on the "to do" list.
As for Save All - whoops, my bad. It's Option-Cmd-S, *not* - as I said previously - Shift-Cmd-S.
Thanks,
KB
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dunx
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Post by dunx on Nov 2, 2005 21:24:51 GMT
An observation on the "Save" command enabling: this is always enabled.
A very common behaviour is to disable a "Save" command if there is nothing to save, that is if the current document has no changes to be written to disc. Given the focus issues you mention, this might be a useful model to follow if the "Save" command is not connected to anything which is really saveable eg if the Binder has focus.
A warning, though: this is great when it works, but there is nothing much more frustrating than a document which has been changed but which, due to a bug, cannot be saved!
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Post by KB on Nov 2, 2005 21:45:27 GMT
This is on the "to do" list under getting the menu to update properly. Refinements rather than major stuff...
Thanks,
Keith
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Post by futurosity on Nov 2, 2005 22:29:02 GMT
I'm having the same problem mentioned by banfennid: Save All does not appear to work from the shortcut keys (Option-Cmd-S), but I can Save All from the menu. BTW, using the shortcut key changes the cursor to a "+" sign. Not sure what that's about.
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Post by KB on Nov 2, 2005 23:04:42 GMT
I think the cross is to indecate that you can select multiple in a text view; if you drag while holding Option-Cmd, the selection can be of parts of lines (try it out to see what I mean). This is just a Tiger addition to the text system. But Option-Cmd-S works fine on both my systems...
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janra
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Post by janra on Nov 2, 2005 23:40:30 GMT
This is probably related...
When I'm in fullscreen mode and editing a file, when I hit cmd-s to save I just get the system beep. I flip out of fullscreen mode and the file hasn't been saved.
I much prefer being able to save without flipping modes...
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Post by KB on Nov 3, 2005 18:09:34 GMT
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